Alice Haute, Lady Fogge (c.1444 – 6/16 August 1512) was an English noblewoman. She was the second wife of Sir John Fogge, and is thought to be the great-grandmother of Katherine Parr, the sixth wife of King Henry VIII of England.
Her father had already developed a friendship with her maternal grandfather, and having served again for the Shire in 1432 supported Wydeville at his election in 1433. Together they attended the council of spring 1434 at which Gloucester, complaining of the progress of the French war, fell into dissent with John of Lancaster, who could expect Wydeville's loyalty as his chamberlain.[9] Although his overseas service is not well understood, from the earlier 1430s onwards Haute held numerous commissions for array, musters for France, oyer and terminer, escapes from prisons, smuggling, etc.[10] and his continuing commissions for the peace.[11]
Alice had four sisters, and three brothers. They were;[citation needed]
After her marriage to Edward IV, Alice's cousin Elizabeth Woodville brought her favourite female relatives to court. Alice Haute was one of her five ladies-in-waiting during the 1460s.[14][15]
Marriage and issue
Sketch of the tomb of Alice, her husband, and his first wife Alice Kyriell.
In about 1458, Alice married Sir John Fogge as his second wife. He was an English courtier, soldier and supporter of the Woodvilles under Edward IV. He the son of John Fogge, esquire,[7] the second surviving son of Sir Thomas Fogge (d. 13 July 1407) and Joan de Valence (d. 8 July 1420). Their marriage carried the Haute manor of Ashenfield in Waltham.[16]
The couple had a son and three daughters:
Thomas Fogge (d. 16 August 1512), esquire, of Ashford, Great Mongeham, Sutton Farm (in Sutton), Tunford (in Thanington), and Walmer, Kent, Sergeant Porter of Calais to Henry VII and Henry VIII. He married before 9 December 1509 Eleanor Browne, daughter of Robert Browne, esquire, and granddaughter of Sir Thomas Browne. They had two daughters, Alice (wife of Edward Scott and Robert Oxenbridge, Knight.) and Anne (wife of William Scott and Henry Isham). He was buried in the church at Ashford. He left a will dated 4 August 1512, proved 16 October 1512 (P.C.C. 9 Fetiplace).[17][18][19][20] Eleanor married secondly Sir William Kempe, Knight, of Ollantigh of Kent and died on 16 September 1559.[19][21]
Anne Fogge.
Elizabeth Fogge.
Margaret Fogge, who married her father's ward,[7] Sir Humphrey Stafford (d. 22 September 1545) of Cottered and Rushden, Hertfordshire, by whom she was the mother of three sons and three daughters, including Sir Humphrey Stafford, who married Margaret Tame,[22] daughter of Sir Edmund Tame, and Sir William Stafford, who married Mary Boleyn.[23][24] Sir Humphrey Stafford was the son of Humphrey Stafford (died 1486).
Joan Fogge, who married Sir Thomas Green, and became the maternal grandmother to Katherine Parr the sixth wife of King Henry VIII of England. However, it remains uncertain if Joan was their daughter. Many sources state that Sir Thomas Greene married Sir John Fogge and Alice Haute's daughter Joan, by whom he was the father of Maud Green, mother of Katherine Parr.[25] However, Sir John Fogge's will of 1490, as transcribed by Pearman in his 1868 History of Ashford, only mentions his three unmarried daughters, the three being Anne, Elizabeth and Margaret, and makes no mention of any other daughter.[26] The official biographers of Katherine Parr, Susan E. James and Linda Porter, believe that Joan was the granddaughter of Fogge.[27][28] It could be possible that John disowned Joan for unknown reasons, or that she had already died before the will was made, probably after the birth of her younger daughter Maud, who could've been born in 1490.[citation needed] The perhaps most likely explanation is that as a married woman she and her husband had already received her dowry.
in the Family Chronicle of Richard Fogge of Danes Court in Tilmanstone, it is mentioned in the Fogge family pedigree that the couple had four daughters, although only three were mentioned by name, so it is possible that the unspecified daughter is Joan.[29]
Stained glass window
In the north window of the gallery was a shield of the arms of Fogge impaling Haut[30]
In the north window of the gallery was a shield of the arms of Fogge impaling Haut
Death and burial
Alice Haute died of unknown causes on 6 or 16 August 1512 aged about 68, around the time her presumed great-granddaughter Katherine Parr was born. She was buried with her husband, and his first wife, on the North side of the altar between the chancel and Fogge Chapel at Ashford, St. Mary's church. The original ornaments of their tomb have been stripped.[31] However, a sketch of their memorial brasses is still extant.[32]Sir Edward Dering, the Kentish antiquary, sketched the three brasses in 1631.[33]
Coat of arms
Argent, on a fess between three annulets Sable three mullets pierced of the first—for Fogge.[34][35]Or, a cross engrailed Gules—for Haute.[36][37][38]
Obit and her husband's will
Alice ordered an obit. In an indenture of August 18, an. 3 Henry VIII (1512), whereby Dame Alice Fogge enfeoffs John Roper and others of four acres in trust for a yearly "Obbitte" of 10s. 6d. for Sir John, her late husband, herself, and their children, and for other chanties of Ashford Church. Alice writes:
for the soule of the seid Sir John Fogge, Knyght, and for the soule of me, the seid Alice his wife, for the soules of William Hawte and Jane his wife, our children soules and all our Friends soules that ben past and to come[39][40]
In his will, Sir John Fogge left her:
My Wife shall have thereof a Vestment of Velvet, a Masseboke, which she will chuse of the Twain, Two Basenes of Silver for the Altar, a Crosse of Silver and Gylt, Two Crewets Silver and Gylt, and a Sakeryng Bell Gylt, which Basenes, Crosse, Crewets, and Sakeryng Bell I will my said wife shall have Time of her Life, if She live Sole, and after her decease to remain unto my said Son, or to his heirs then being alyve to th' use of the said Chapel[41]
And the 'Governance and Guiding' of his three unmarried daughters.[42]
References
^Abstract of will of William Haute, Esquire, proved October 1462, in N.H. Nicolas, Testamenta Vetusta: being illustrations from wills, of manners, customs, &c. (Nichols & Son, London 1826), I, p. 300. The will identifies him as the father.
^E. Hasted, 'Parishes: Bishopsborne', in The History and Topographical Survey of the County of Kent, Vol. 9 (W. Bristow, Canterbury 1800), pp. 328–37. (British History Online accessed 14 September 2017).
^P.W. Fleming, 'Haute family (per. 1350-1530), gentry', Oxford Dictionary of National Biography (2004). Online edition (subscription required).
^L.S. Woodger, 'Haute, William (d.1462), of Bishopsbourne, Kent', in J.S. Roskell, L. Clark and C. Rawcliffe (eds), The History of Parliament: the House of Commons 1386-1421 (Boydell & Brewer 1993), History of Parliament online.
^Barbara J. Harris. “English Aristocratic Women, 1450-1550 : Marriage and Family, Property and Careers: Marriage and Family, Property and Careers,” Oxford University Press, Jul 26, 2002. pg 218.
^E. Hasted, 'Parishes: Waltham', in The History and Topographical Survey of the County of Kent Vol. 9 (Canterbury 1800), pp. 319-28 (British History Online, accessed 23 September 2017).
^Kent Archaeological Society (1858). Archaeologia Cantiana. Getty Research Institute. [London] Kent Archaeological Society.
^"The town and parish of Ashford | British History Online". prod.british-history.ac.uk. Retrieved 8 February 2025. Argent, on a fess, between three annulets, sable, three mullets, pierced of the first, which coat is carved in stone on the porch of Ashford church, on the roof of the cloysters at Canterbury, and in several windows of the cathedral there. (fn. 5) 5. There is a pedigree of this family in the Heraldic Visitations of Kent, of the years 1574 and 1663, in a MSS. in the Heralds office, marked D. 18, and among the Harleian MSS. No. 1548 and 1104.
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