Template talk:Proteaceae genera

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I intend to expand this to include the rest of the family some time, but I am not in a rush. Anyone who is competent to do so is welcome to start if I take too long. The template should probably have collapsing subnavboxes. · · · Peter Southwood ^(talk): 15:26, 24 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Mostly done. The format is a bit different for some subgroups, to see which work better. I don't have a very sstong opinion about the ones that are left. If someone elde does, please explain why one would be better than the others. · · · Peter Southwood ^(talk): 10:38, 16 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Am I alone in thinking this template is way too large and unwieldy? To me, it's unnecessary, difficult to navigate (is there a purpose to the order of genera?), and will be difficult and slow to update. It makes using the "What links here" tool unusable for all these pages. What is the benefit to having such an enormous template? Mbdfar (talk) 21:10, 16 December 2021 (UTC)[reply]

@Mbdfar: Yeah, this is too large. WP:NAV says "They should be kept small in size as a large template has limited navigation value". The order of the genera is based on the order of subfamilies/tribes in the Proteaceae article, but without listing the higher taxa, the genera appear to be in a random order (and I'd prefer alphabetical order of subfamilies in the Proteaceae article). As an editor, I don't like that navboxes make "What links here" unusable. I'll also note that duplicating information in articles and templates imposing a maintenance burden on editors to ensure everything is up-to-date and the duplicates agree with each other. As a reader of taxon articles, I've never found taxon navboxes such as this useful. Taxa have an inherent hierarchy, so if somebody wants to see other genera/species in a family, they can just click on the family in a taxobox. (As a reader, the navboxes I find most useful (but still not essential) have a temporal component; e.g. winners of a particular award in different years).

It's probably best to bring this up at Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject Plants; there have been previous discussions of navboxes at Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject Plants/Archive66#nav_boxes and Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject Plants/Archive68#Massive navigation templates on species articles. Plantdrew (talk) 22:41, 16 December 2021 (UTC)[reply]