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Hey Ca,

Thank you for reviewing the draft "Nimesh Gupta" and for your valuable inputs.

I have made the necessary changes, but JFYI there are huge number of articles that uses peacock terms like "leading". I did a considerable research before writing this draft and tried to write this, inline with already existing ones. I believe Wikipedia should follow same rules and policies for everyone. And if others are already accepted then this should also be accepted.

Secondly, the other reviewer commented "The content of this submission includes material that does not meet Wikipedia's minimum standard for inline citations. ", but as per your Referencing for beginners page "Academic and peer-reviewed publications are usually the most reliable sources", and in this draft the publications are provided as source.

Please let me know if there is any real or other reason to decline this draft.

If your read this draft carefully, it talks exclusively about the contributions made by Dr. Nimesh Gupta in his field, whether it is societal, or research based. The significant work done on Covid has been recognized nationally and internationally. His work has been awarded globally, and that makes him quite a prominent person and eligible for his presence on Wikipedia.

Thank you Nimeshgupta80 (talk) 05:34, 24 August 2023 (UTC)

I recommend re-submitting the draft if you feel the draft have been improved enough. I am not familiar with professor articles so I may have missed a major award. Just because another article violates guidelines does not mean it is OK for your article to do it. Ca ^{talk to me!} 05:45, 28 August 2023 (UTC)

Thank you Ca,

Re-submitting it. I completely agree with you, if other article violates guidelines, we should not.

Thanks Nimeshgupta80 (talk) 05:58, 28 August 2023 (UTC)

Alright, I wish you the best! Ca ^{talk to me!} 05:59, 28 August 2023 (UTC)

hello, can i add the basic information about this movie , basic information about this movie available on reference. Rongamuwa (talk) 04:05, 26 August 2023 (UTC)

I am not sure which film you are referring to. Do you mean Raghav (2023 film)? Ca ^{talk to me!} 06:05, 28 August 2023 (UTC)

Any ways one of our guideline is to WP:Be bold. As long as you have a citation to back up your claims, go for it! Ca ^{talk to me!} 23:13, 30 August 2023 (UTC)

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A bit too late for that, but thanks lol Ca ^{talk to me!} 10:18, 3 September 2023 (UTC)

As you leaves this comment "A lot of the sources are Times of India, which is a questionable source. Many are also mostly about his film, Kerala story, and does not really give biographical details. Many also duplicate information. That leaves these two sources"

I will remove most of Times of India sources and replace them with another reliable source. But as his recent movie Kerala story is in highlights so mostly news sites including that movies name in title or articles related to him. Apart from this controversial movie he has done other films and also have few upcoming projects so he must is be eligible to be on Wikipedia. People already searching for his wikipedia ( as per search suggestions). Even after being controversial, the movie also has a Wiki profile. The Kerala Story

I need your guidance on this. iVickyChoudhary (talk) 12:07, 7 August 2023 (UTC)

Turns out I was reading WP:DIRECTOR incorrectly. The clause "The person has created or played a major role in co-creating a significant or well-known work or collective body of work." definitely applies here. I had a misconception that a person needed to create multiple significant works, when only one suffices. I will be accepting your draft. I apologize for this. Ca ^{talk to me!} 12:18, 7 August 2023 (UTC)

Don't need to apologize, you are just doing your work man. Thanks iVickyChoudhary (talk) 12:21, 7 August 2023 (UTC)

Can you remove that declined tag or do I need to wait for approval ? iVickyChoudhary (talk) 12:23, 7 August 2023 (UTC)

@IVickyChoudhary I am really sorry but I take back what I said, there was a discussion in Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Sudipto Sen in which a lot of people came to a consensus that WP:Director does not actually apply here. As a single editor, I can't override that unless you provide better sourcing. Again, I am sorry for the confusion. Ca ^{talk to me!} 12:26, 7 August 2023 (UTC)

That's ok, that discussion was started when someone crated this page without proper citations, then I updated it with proper sources. You can check the dates. iVickyChoudhary (talk) 12:28, 7 August 2023 (UTC)

There's no discussion after 20 may 2023, and page was deleted on that day, then I created this page on 25 jun 2023 again with fresh content and sources.iVickyChoudhary (talk) 12:30, 7 August 2023 (UTC)

Since WP:Director does not apply, you need to satisfy WP:GNG. However on my last review, the draft did not. Even the two best sources give barely any information about this filmmaker. So only thing you can do is to find sources that gives a detailed biography of this filmmaker. It should come from source that is not affiliated with Sen and is reliable. Ca ^{talk to me!} 12:33, 7 August 2023 (UTC)

I added separate reliable sources of all of his work other then Kerala story. iVickyChoudhary (talk) 12:41, 7 August 2023 (UTC)

Added few more sources, can you check and review it again? iVickyChoudhary (talk) 12:53, 7 August 2023 (UTC)

Even the page which is tagged on that discussion isn't even exits now as it's deleted because of poor sources, But I created new page with proper sources, so guide me on this. iVickyChoudhary (talk) 12:40, 7 August 2023 (UTC)

The new sources are still shaky in my opinion. I think the best solution is to add the information about Sen at Kerala Story since Sen is only notable for creating that film.

You can add a section dedicated to Sudipito Sen. Ca ^{talk to me!} 00:03, 8 August 2023 (UTC)

I tried to submit a section their, but get denied with notice "It related with subject's page, not with mvoie's page".

This page has many articles related to the person, still not notable ? iVickyChoudhary (talk) 10:22, 20 August 2023 (UTC)

I know it feels really frustrating to not have your work into fruition. I am supporting your side in your edit request.

But notability is not inherited from other articles, individual topic needs to stand on its on. Ca ^{talk to me!} 14:01, 21 August 2023 (UTC)

Thanks for your support,as you are very supporting. If having news articles with his name in title, all over articles then how they are on other topic. Mostly references have based on him and his work. I'm requesting you to check again. iVickyChoudhary (talk) 08:45, 23 August 2023 (UTC)

The director is everywhere in media portals, just search his name on google and you will find alot of primary source articles. iVickyChoudhary (talk) 04:56, 24 August 2023 (UTC)

? iVickyChoudhary (talk) 05:29, 31 August 2023 (UTC)

Primary sources are not useful for determining notability. You need to find secondary sources. Ca ^{talk to me!} 15:00, 31 August 2023 (UTC)

I always used primary sources on Wikipedia, never faced notability problem before with primary sources. Now as far as I researched there's no secondary sources of this subject. Now what to do now ? iVickyChoudhary (talk) 02:46, 3 September 2023 (UTC)

Are you sure what you know the definition of primary sources? A court document or an interview of the subject would be a primary source. A news article compiling those court documents and interviews to create one cohesive biography of the subject would be a secondary source. Ca ^{talk to me!} 10:19, 3 September 2023 (UTC)

Ohh, sorry for misunderstanding. iVickyChoudhary (talk) 04:47, 7 September 2023 (UTC)

Thanks so much for working on Skibidi Toilet! I added some links, but didn't have the time to work on the draft so I'm glad that you picked it up. — VORTEX³⁴²⁷ (Talk!) 11:37, 10 August 2023 (UTC)

You're welcome Ca ^{talk to me!} 06:57, 11 August 2023 (UTC)

おはようございます。

はじめまして。

日本語からの英訳方法をご教授していただけますか？ めんじ (talk) 22:44, 5 September 2023 (UTC)

If you cannot speak English, you should go to Japanese Wikipedia, instead of English Wikipedia. Ca ^{talk to me!} 13:35, 6 September 2023 (UTC)

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Thanks for clarifying. I published this article previously when it was premature from WP:NACTOR because I had thought WP:ANYBIO or WP:PRODUCER applied. It was deleted without much WP:AFD talk so I thought it may be worth submitting for WP:AFC now. To be clear, I cannot tell from your words if you think this is ready for article space yet. I can remove the Gila Herald and KATO (AM) citations you mentioned if it helps, but if WP:TOOSOON is still a factor, I will let it incubate longer in draftspace. – Filmforme (talk) 18:18, 31 August 2023 (UTC)

I did find a bit more information about Jon Johnson. Not sure if this makes them a RS now, but they were previously an assistant editor at the Eastern Arizona Courier.[1][2] Filmforme (talk) 18:29, 31 August 2023 (UTC)

How do you know if this is the same Jon Johnson? I couldn't find any bio profile in the Gila Herald website, so I was skeptical of other results.

And yes, please remove those references. The GilaValleyCentral says

Send your news items to these email addresses

This indicates that anybody can submit article there, with unknown levels of editorial oversight. Ca ^{talk to me!} 11:59, 1 September 2023 (UTC)

Oh I see, the newspapers are published in generally similar locations. That probably is the same person. However, I don't think the label of "assistant editor" satisfies the guideline WP:EXPERTSPS. Ca ^{talk to me!} 12:01, 1 September 2023 (UTC)

Thanks for clarifying. Filmforme (talk) 17:14, 3 September 2023 (UTC)

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Thanks for the insight. I could not find evidence that another person with their name exists, and at least three of their movies were made in the same county. I do agree that this does fall into presumed, so I’ll keep an eye out for more sources to verify.

Filmforme (talk) 17:10, 3 September 2023 (UTC)

Hi CA, In your helpful reply to my draft insert, you noted lack of in-line citations. I had tried to include an array of references backing up content. I put a cluster at the end of one paragraph. But should the citations be included for each statement? Or did you mean something else? Here's the paragraph:

Other Abraham appearances included talks at Convocation ‘82  of Aroostook County, Presque Isle, Maine, at Palm Beach Junior College in Florida and at a PSR chapter-sponsored lecture at Herrick Hospital, in Berkeley, California. At a symposium at the Yale University School of Medicine in 1983, he explored the conflicting traditions of doctors as apolitical advocates for their patients, but also players in public health initiatives: “It is clear that, wanted or not, the crisis of the nuclear age is drawing the medical profession into a historically unprecedented political role.”^{[1][2][3][4][5][6]}

Applecrabby (talk) 17:45, 4 September 2023 (UTC)

As long as the citations support every claim made in the paragraph, this is fine in my eyes. For clarities sake, adding a in-line citation after every sentence or so is also an option. Ca ^{talk to me!} 00:39, 6 September 2023 (UTC)

Thank you so much for helping me with my first publish. I feel like I learned quite a bit from you. You are hands-down the nicest wikipedia editor I've ever interacted with. People like you are what keeps others taking these articles seriously. If you're ever up for it, maybe we can work on another draft together at some point! Informsnow19 (talk) 20:42, 5 September 2023 (UTC)

Thanks for your kind words. Just note that I removed some WP:Original research from your draft. A close examination of the sources revealed that none of them actually claim that Maier is a prince. Since he has a record of faking royal titles, you are going to need a secondary, reliable source for this claim. Ca ^{talk to me!} 13:36, 6 September 2023 (UTC)

Hi — I don’t completely agree with your purge. Looking at the history of the piece here, it seems the author had removed the title from one of the (many) bio intro names. I believe for the hyphenated. Leave the house for now as there’s a bit to figure out there. For example, some of the members of this Dlamini clan are called Nkhosi alone. This may be a more appropriate notation. Faits1789 (talk) 15:26, 6 September 2023 (UTC)

Are you the same person as @Informsnow19? Ca ^{talk to me!} 15:27, 6 September 2023 (UTC)

No, are you the same person that was destructive editing/edit warring? Faits1789 (talk) 16:53, 6 September 2023 (UTC)

Please assume good faith. I have not edit warred. Ca ^{talk to me!} 23:45, 6 September 2023 (UTC)

I am sorry if I sounded like I was accusing you of WP:Sockpuppetry. I thought that you were unintentionally operating multiple accounts since you responded right after Informsnow did. Ca ^{talk to me!} 23:56, 6 September 2023 (UTC)

I'm the one who published and did the French translation, he's working in the franco art scene Montréal. Would you like to run through some sugggestions? It could use some work for sure, this type of editing is destructive. Italicizing independent review was good idea. Considering the public interest that section should exist, understanding biographical rules. I removed it so we can work on it together. We just can't make a sanbox out of the actual page. Faits1789 (talk) 16:56, 6 September 2023 (UTC)

I resubmitted because I thought I could edit it after submission. I must say the system is not obvious.

How about this incipit:

An Extended peer community is intended by its creators ^[1][2] as an arrangment at the science policy interface that helps to expand and assess both the knowledge-base and the value-base of policy-making'.^[3] Andrea Saltelli Saltean (talk) 17:29, 11 August 2023 (UTC)

@Saltean Hello. I am confused on what you mean by "I resubmitted because I thought I could edit it after submission". There is nothing preventing you from editing drafts after submission? For the new lead, it is an improvement, but it reads like a word salad to me. But it could just be me. I am leaving it up for another reviewer. Cheers, Ca ^{talk to me!} 14:49, 12 August 2023 (UTC)

I am not getting out alive from this, apologies for being dumb. Where is now the page extended peer community? Andrea Saltelli Saltean (talk) 10:47, 14 August 2023 (UTC)

Here you go: Draft:Extended peer community.

Next time, you can check your wp:contributions page to find out what edits you have made to pages. I hope this helps. Ca ^{talk to me!} 11:23, 14 August 2023 (UTC)

I edited the page again. I also left comments in the talk page. This page is revealing incredibly difficult to publish and I do not understand why, or maybe simply I disagree that it is unclear. I have published several articles where I discuss this concept, and these articles passed peer review. I understand that Wikipedia is not an academic journal and that it aims to be encyclopedic rather than disciplinary, but I frankly see the present version as adequate.

Regards. Andrea Saltelli Saltean (talk) 13:37, 9 September 2023 (UTC)

hello sir/mam i have to write biography of nishant bhati. --NISHANT BHATI GUJJAR (talk) 04:43, 9 September 2023 (UTC)

Hello Gujjar. Since you are trying to write an article about yourself, you will need to follow conflict of interest guidelines and WP:Autobiography. If you still want to continue, should read the help page Your First Article. Feel free to ask more questions! Ca ^{talk to me!} 09:36, 9 September 2023 (UTC)

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I did ask. That's how we got here. But I will ask you. What happens when an edit is opinion and not fact ? --Curiousalways1 (talk) 15:49, 9 September 2023 (UTC)

I am not sure if I am reading your question correctly. Are you asking whether you can include opinions in articles? If so, here is my answer: you can include opinions in articles as long as it is sourced to a WP:reliable source and is attributed to whoever said it. However, not all opinions are due for inclusion. see WP:due. Ca ^{talk to me!} 15:57, 9 September 2023 (UTC)

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@Kleuske You sure you meant to place this tag? I saw that Wikipedia's notability was often referred to as a fuzzy ecosystem, and the target page lacked a shortcut, so I created it. Ca ^{talk to me!} 11:57, 15 September 2023 (UTC)

I was too hasty and have retracted that CSD. Apologies. That being said, I still do not think that is a sensible name for a short-cut. Kleuske (talk) 12:00, 15 September 2023 (UTC)

Well I'll be happy with a RfD, but a some sort of shortcut should be created. Ca ^{talk to me!} 12:02, 15 September 2023 (UTC)

In the grand scheme of things, and closer reflection, I hardly think it's worth the effort. Redirects are cheap. Kleuske (talk) 12:12, 15 September 2023 (UTC)

Yeah, I imagined the shortcut being used in circumstances like "Notability is a WP:FUZZYECOSYSTEM blah blah blah". Also, I think that was the first time someone tagged my creation in under a minute - thats got to be a record for sure . Ca ^{talk to me!} 12:16, 15 September 2023 (UTC)

I usually deal with vandals and spammers, which tend to be clear cut and warrant a speedy reaction. Again, apologies for the inconvenience. Kleuske (talk) 12:20, 15 September 2023 (UTC)

ah no worries, I know that you meant no offense, I'm fully aware many people don't really read boilerplate messages. Ca ^{talk to me!} 12:25, 15 September 2023 (UTC)

It appears that the author of the AfC you approved has a possible WP:COI, as this subject is allegedly the author's colleague that they admire. Just in case you hadn't seen. Utopes _{(talk / cont)} 02:25, 13 September 2023 (UTC)

Nice catch - in hindsight, I should have doled out a CoI notice template, but the subject of the draft seemed notable enough that I was willing to forgive some tone issues. I perceieved it not being severe enough to warrant a WP:TNT delete AfD. Ca ^{talk to me!} 16:40, 15 September 2023 (UTC)

I just saw this edit and wondered about its background. It unnecessarily complicates things as the original link worked perfectly fine. Is this discussed somewhere, or is it now an established guideline that we should do this? -- Valjean (talk) (PING me) 15:18, 15 September 2023 (UTC)

I think using '#' is an unintuitive way of showing where the sections link to, where as § is more common. I believe this is user-friendlier.

As for an established guideline, WP:§ suggests using {{sectionlink}} as one of the ways of linking to sections. Ca ^{talk to me!} 16:37, 15 September 2023 (UTC)

Hello, I recently had a draft for Baker Hall that was denied. I was wondering if I could get a bit more of an explanation of why the page was denied. If there are no other sources that aren't independent, is the page not notable enough to exist on wikipedia? Thanks so much for the help! Ty.ard1 (talk) 14:44, 21 September 2023 (UTC)

Hello @Ty.ard1. I declined your article because it did not meet Wikipedia's General Notability Guideline, which was referenced in my decline reason:

This draft's references do not show that the subject qualifies for a Wikipedia article. In summary, the draft needs multiple published sources that are:

in-depth (not just passing mentions about the subject)

reliable

secondary

independent of the subject

If there is no independent sources, the article is sadly not notable for inclusion. Ca ^{talk to me!} 14:47, 21 September 2023 (UTC)

Near end of article, a racist sentence mentions that student body is mostly White. .... Reality is, today, though parents of public school students spend $4,000 - $6,000/year on cable tv & cellphones for their household, a high quality K-12 education is not a priority. Bishopsville SC public school grads fair very poorly compared to Lee Academy private school students. https://www.niche.com/k12/robert-e-lee-academy-bishopville-sc/ --Flavusmold (talk) 23:11, 21 September 2023 (UTC)

Hello @Flavusmold. I took a look at the source that backs up the claim that "student body is mostly White", and verified it was true from the Associated Press. I am not sure what you are asking for? Ca ^{talk to me!} 03:31, 22 September 2023 (UTC)

Known fact: When race is an irrelevant concern, the author is a racist.

Im requesting that you expell the rumor that racism is a systemic problem in USA.

Do you believe that in Bishopville, SC, there is systemic racism?

I live in the region and can atest to the fact that everybody gets along, regardless of skin color. Flavusmold (talk) 12:49, 22 September 2023 (UTC)

Well, the cited source is from 2000, and perhaps the culture has changed since then, though I cannot say for certain. In Wikipedia, every claim needs a reliable source to back it up. (WP:Verifiability) I recommend reading Racism in United States. Again, I am confused on what exactly you want help here. Do you want to make an edit? Ca ^{talk to me!} 12:56, 22 September 2023 (UTC)

In other words, take skin color out of the discussion because education in Bishopville has nothing to do with skin color. It has to do with choices; priorities. Flavusmold (talk) 13:01, 22 September 2023 (UTC)

The racial imbalance in the school has been noted by several reputable news agencies so its probably going to stay. In Wikipedia, WP:original research is disallowed. Ca ^{talk to me!} 13:04, 22 September 2023 (UTC)

Why is skin color the standard by which you believe quality-of-education is to be rated?

Take skin color out of the discussion because education in Bishopville has nothing to do with skin color. It has to do with choices; priorities.

This is common sense. Flavusmold (talk) 02:50, 26 September 2023 (UTC)

The paragraph is not about the quality of education though? Again, I don't live in America nor are engrossed in its culture. I am just giving you advice from the article I read. Ca ^{talk to me!} 03:37, 26 September 2023 (UTC)

Can you help me reply my talk capcha not letting me thanks --Junkeagle (talk) 19:40, 25 September 2023 (UTC)

Hello, are you still having trouble with the Captcha? If so, you can reply here and I can forward it to your user talk page for you. I think OhItsJamie added that message to your talk page because of reasons listed at Wikipedia:Your alma mater is not your ticket to Wikipedia. Ca ^{talk to me!} 00:15, 26 September 2023 (UTC)

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Hello I would like to talk to a rep to understand I have TBI fell off roof learned one thing that always works DTOANLTFS don't think of anything negative Longer than Fourteen seconds DTOANLTFS it always works but hard to do especially when your workers remove the truth from my high school. --Junkeagle (talk) 00:38, 28 September 2023 (UTC)

Hello / Hi

Can you help me, please?  A few days ago I wrote Draft:9801 (disambiguation) and you wrote me that disambiguation with red links (articles that do not exist) are not created on enwikipedia. I rewrote Draft:9801 (disambiguation) and also wrote new page Draft:9801 (bell). Can you please let me know if bell is ok? If bell is ok, will 9801 (disambiguation) be ok too? Thank you for the advice and answers. (Draft:9801 (bell) and Draft:9801 (disambiguation)) Wikram Beckett (talk) 12:06, 29 September 2023 (UTC)

If the bell article is accepted, the disambiguation page may serve a purpose. I recommend removing 9801 – painting by Pablo Siquier though, it is not linked to anything notable Ca ^{talk to me!} 15:12, 29 September 2023 (UTC)

FYI, I edited a comment of yours here to fix some diffs, hopefully that is ok! Shapeyness (talk) 19:18, 29 September 2023 (UTC)

No it's perfectly fine. Thanks for catching it! Ca ^{talk to me!} 00:10, 30 September 2023 (UTC)