User talk:Grand'mere Eugene/Archives/2017/June

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Hello! I've been poking around and it's great to see all the new articles on local history topics! I want your opinion on one thing before I bring it to a larger audience--I noticed that Frederick S. Dunn (Klansman) has been qualified using the word "Klansman". I think before the recent controversy over the renaming of Dunn Hall to Unthank Hall, if anybody thought of Mr. Dunn at all, it would have been as "Frederick S. Dunn (obscure old dead white guy/classical scholar)". I certainly don't wish to sweep the Klan history that has been brought to light under the rug, but I'm not sure being a Klansman was his defining characteristic. This article (note the spelling "Frederic"), while not minimizing the Klan history, seems to show he was better known for being a classics scholar. I always thought of him as some sort of civic leader (and namesake for my now-defunct elementary school), but it turns out that was Frederick Francis B. Dunn. This guy. Francis Berrian aka "F.B." Dunn, Frederick's father. As you can see from the Archives West bio, the Klan association was omitted. Do you think he should be disambiguated for what he has been most known in the past, or what he is most known for now? He probably wouldn't have ever merited an article until we really ran out of old dead white guys, unlike his father, who served as mayor of Eugene, but now he has become notable at least for his current notoriety. But notability is not temporary. I really don't know, but the qualifier bugs me somehow. It's possible I'm being fragile... Anyway, what do you think? Valfontis (talk) 23:00, 3 June 2017 (UTC)

I agree completely, and almost moved the page to Frederic Stanley Dunn after I came across this bio. I think his middle name and birth/death dates make better disambiguating elements than the label "Klansman." Does it need a talk page discussion, since he is currently persona non grata? Some may want him to permanently wear the scarlet letter. --Grand'mere Eugene (talk) 00:08, 4 June 2017 (UTC)

"Scarlet letter". Exactly! I think we should open it to a wider discussion, but I realized from your reply that what it is that bugs me is that the qualifier is like this punishment we are meting out in retrospect, and thus seems pointy. Our job isn't necessarily to point out that the guy might have been a racist (and most certainly anti-Catholic, judging by the time and place) creep in the page title. His (well-cited) history can speak for itself. Valfontis (talk) 01:14, 4 June 2017 (UTC)

As the original creator of the article, I agree with the above and have moved the article. I originally used "Klansman" because I couldn't find out what his "S." stood for, and the other Dunn was also an academic. Regards.  Sandstein  19:06, 4 June 2017 (UTC)

I've added a bit, maybe not enough about the Klan. Feel free to chime in! --Grand'mere Eugene (talk) 02:34, 6 June 2017 (UTC)

- Thank you for your improvement of the page, Hannah Logasa. I am enjoying your additions and learning about her. Smmurphy^(Talk) 22:09, 5 June 2017 (UTC)

Nice work adding the PD image from the 1914 newspaper! I, too, am enjoying learning about her life--especially her gumption researching soy beans for Israel and sending a report to Ben Gurion. I love details like that! — Grand'mere Eugene (talk) 23:28, 5 June 2017 (UTC)

You're welcome. It's telling that a man was later able to read the whole thing. Sagecandor (talk) 18:22, 7 June 2017 (UTC)

Sagecandor --Right? Ironic. Cheers! --Grand'mere Eugene (talk) 23:25, 7 June 2017 (UTC)

User:Leprof_7272 is finally fully retired from WP. You were very kind, early, to me when I was still a named user (from which I had to retreat, after being trolled/outed). In the final manifestation, I had, ultimately, no greater success, in persuading others of the need to give our readers clear statements of the quality/state of articles. After a closing topic ban—which was not a topic ban at all, but rather a topic ban applied to the use of tags—I have finally given up. Already disheartened by the solidification of the Medicine wikiproject around continuing to allow first-time-to-appear, self-published photos, Xrays, ultrasounds, and other images, this failure, and the ban from using tags leaves me without hope, here. We have active research going on WP, and with it will come exposure of things, but for now, the commitment to urge change, from the inside, and from the bottom up, is at an end. Cheers, hope we might someday meet in the real world. Le Prof. 50.232.9.194 (talk) 22:19, 17 June 2017 (UTC)

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