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Was wondering myself about the "and Jackson received schooling from two nearby priests" (especially that "nearby priests" part...) so I went hunting for when it was added to the article. It's been present in the Jackson article since April 2017 when it was added with this edit [1]. Does Wilentz's 2005 biography say *anything* specifically about Jackson's early schooling? If he did that could certainly be of interest...
The text & source are as follows:

Jackson's father died in an accident in February 1767 at the age of 29, three weeks before his son Andrew was born in the Waxhaws area. Jackson, his mother, and his brothers lived with Jackson's aunt and uncle in the Waxhaws region, and Jackson received schooling from two nearby priests.

Thanks, Shearonink (talk) 20:34, 17 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]

The "two priests" part jumped out at me, too. Obviously that edit was made by a child or an ignoramus with no concept of the time and the place where Jackson grew up. In a small, tightly-knit, very Presbyterian community, sending a child to two priests - presumably Catholic - would have been like sending him to the devil. I followed the link within the source link to the Wilentz biography, which on page 16 says the young Jackson was sent to two clergymen - a very different thing!

In the following paragraph, however, Wilentz says he was sent to a "religious academy" but does not name it or say where it was. On page 177, a timeline of "Milestones" gives the names of two men who ran schools (plural) that Jackson attended in 1775-1780. It is not certain that these are the two clergymen mentioned before.

All this was too vague and nebulous for me, so I simply deleted the false claim. If you'd like to take the time to stitch these fragments into the wikiarticle, by all means go ahead. I was just there to find out his birth and death dates, really. Thanks for taking an interest. Textorus (talk) 02:36, 18 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]

I didn't see this nifty little reply link until I'd already replied to you on my talk page. Please take a look over there. Textorus (talk) 02:40, 18 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Yeah, re the "priests" - made no sense. I do not have access to the Wilentz book. Can you put the names of those two men here? I can see if I can figure out if those guys are the two clergymen or not...little puzzles fascinate me lol, maybe I'll stitch it all back in at some point. Thanks, Shearonink (talk) 14:59, 18 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]

The link within a link is footnote 9 in paragraph 2 of the Early life section, but I'll save you a step: just go to https://books.google.com/books?id=1GhZl6KhM4cC&pg=PP8. Textorus (talk) 17:34, 18 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks for the link. Actually Wilentz isn't much help at all on the specifics but at least I have found some names in other sources (TG we get jstor access around here now) - in Vol. 7, No. 1, MARCH, 1948 Tennessee Historical Quarterly... James White Stephenson(school on the Catabaw, prominent Pres. clergyman), Professor Branch, Dr./Mr. William Humphries (school at Waxhaw Church), Reverend Francis Cummins (prominent Pres. clergyman, classical boarding school), Robert M'Culloch (Jackson's last school studies occurred with a Mr. M'Culloch in an area of North Carolina called "the New Acquisition", happened after Jackson returned home after the Rev War and before he studied law - source The Complete Memoirs of Andrew Jackson: Seventh President of the United States : Containing a Full Account of His Military Life and Achievements, with His Career as President by John Henry Eaton, 1878 Edition).

Shearonink (talk) 18:35, 18 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Good find, I hope you will use it to improve the wikiarticle. I saw the notice about Jstor access some months ago but have never got around to signing up for it. I used to do more research like that before I retired, but now I mainly just do copyedits and easy cleanups. I'll be interested to see what you do with the Jackson article, which *could be* fleshed out in many ways. All good wishes. Textorus (talk) 00:00, 19 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]

The Jstor access is awesome, I love it. One of the best things about the Wikipedia Library. I'm going to poke around Jackson's early education and fix it up a little bit, that part of the article does seem awfully loosely cited and relying too much on generalities. All that is mostly because Jackson wasn't too precise about those things. As a teenager he came home ill and beaten, after being jailed by the British. Then his mother went to get some relatives out of a similar circumstance and she caught sick and died...his childhood, though not easy, was gone in an instant when his fierce protector died. I suppose he didn't care much to remember and reminisce about his education and what things were like when he was young. I'll at least get some of the names/places/schools in the article. Thanks for your help. Shearonink (talk) 00:28, 19 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]

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Per your question here: As noted on the talk page back in January, we have left a birthplace claim out of the article since Santos's claim of being born in Queens cannot be (and hasn't been) substantiated (or contradicted) by any reliable source. Daniel Case (talk) 04:01, 3 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]

@Daniel Case, thanks for letting me know. Though I think this situation ought to be at least footnoted in the Santos article. And it seems like some intrepid wikieditor or real-world journalist ought to be able to find out if the guy is even a US citizen or not. You remember how Obama was hounded about that point for several years. Oh well, I suppose it is a moot point now that Miss Thing has finally gotten the richly deserved boot. Cheers! Textorus (talk) 10:27, 3 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Yeah, we had another (now-archived) talk page discussion about that issue, concluding that without reliable sourcing his place of birth we can't say for sure. (and here's a fuller discussion of that, CTTOI). I did note there (I think) that ICS apparently accepting his marriage as valid suggests that they were satisfied he's a citizen, but given that there's a lot of circumstantial evidence suggesting that the marriage was purely for immigration purposes, including two former roommates of Santos saying this on the record, you have to wonder how thoroughly they reviewed the case in this instance (and/or how effectively Santos and the woman fooled them).

I have, as a result of your edit, put an inline comment for future editors to tell us they completely missed while making the edit.

This story is not over, as I've said on the talk page. Daniel Case (talk) 21:29, 3 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Well, :@Daniel Case, I see that this issue has already been discussed to death. No doubt it will be a fascinating study for future historians of American politics - or maybe it will just fade into oblivion as I hope the subject will. Though I doubt this bad penny can resist returning to the high-heeled limelight for long. Whatever happens, it would make a grand farce on stage or screen, wouldn't it? Reminds me of the time one authoress slammed another authoress for habitual lying, saying "every word she writes is a lie, including 'and' and 'the'." It would all be so funny if it weren't so sad. Textorus (talk) 11:12, 4 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Howdy! Just wanted to give a heads up in this edit to D'Hondt method, you marked a link that was indeed dead with the dead link template. The problem is that the tag was outside of the ref tags, whereas according to Template:Dead link they must be inside. I've noticed IABot removes these tags if they're outside of ref tags, since it doesn't know what they apply to.

I added archive link to the page here. Cheers! GrapesRock (talk) 23:11, 26 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks for the friendly tip, User:GrapesRock. I've been editing Wikipedia for nigh on 18 years now, and this is the first I've ever heard of putting the tag *inside* the ref marks. Ya learn something every day. I'll do that from now on. Textorus (talk) 15:51, 27 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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