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Hi there, TheLonelyPather, and welcome to Women in Red. I'm really pleased to see you intend to cover a whole series of Chinese women who suffered during the Cultural Revolution. On the basis of Sun Sunquan, we can expect excellent coverage. You already have wide experience as an editor but if you have not already done so, you might find it interesting to look through our Primer. Please let me know if you run into any difficulties or need assistance. Happy editing!--Ipigott (talk) 06:15, 13 July 2023 (UTC)
Yeah, I'm practically "gone", in the sense of not creating substantial contents. But doing some one-minute-edits and gifting barnstar to an awesome editor like you are still available. Happy editing! By the way, I'm gonna enjoy reading Zhongding Catholic Church tonight, see you. Uriel1022 (talk) 09:23, 17 July 2023 (UTC)
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Thank you, my precious friend, for this kind message.
You should also be proud of Johann Adam Schall von Bell, your fellow German from the 1600s, one of the most important missionaries in China. He is another Jesuit just like Zheng Manuo. I plan to rework his article–probably next year.
Thank you for your work on Zheng Manuo, but I wanted to reach out regarding your recent move of this article. When you moved this page you left behind the GA review subpage, which I've gone ahead and moved. Please remember to move all sub pages when moving a page and if you are unable to do so, please make a technical move request at WP:RMT. Hey man im josh (talk) 14:59, 26 July 2023 (UTC)
Thanks, Baffle gab1978! Just a little note: please don't alter the individual<ref>s yet. I will try to move a bunch of sources (currently in <ref> format) into the {{sfn}} format in the upcoming month. Otherwise, I trust your judgement as a copyeditor, and I really appreciate your service to this community. Cheers, TheLonelyPather (talk) 20:28, 30 July 2023 (UTC)
Hi again, TheLonelyPather, I saw no reason to mess with the citations in this article. I have moved some extended text, and Latin and (probably) Portuguese text with their citations into the footnotes section; they are redundant and most readers of English Wikipedia won't understand them. Feel free to correct anything I've misinterpreted but I don't think I have. Good luck with your planned FA nom and cheers, Baffle☿gab02:57, 1 August 2023 (UTC).
I removed the PROD tag. My Google Scholar search was ambiguous until I added his middle initial -- there are multiple academics named "Subir Das". That gave me these results; I think he'd likely survive an AfD.
On 15 August 2023, Did you know was updated with a fact from the article Wu Xiaoyan, which you recently created, substantially expanded, or brought to good article status. The fact was ... that Wu Xiaoyan, persecuted because of her adoptive father Wu Han, committed suicide 13 days before the end of the Cultural Revolution? The nomination discussion and review may be seen at Template:Did you know nominations/Wu Xiaoyan. You are welcome to check how many pageviews the nominated article or articles got while on the front page (here's how, Wu Xiaoyan), and the hook may be added to the statistics page after its run on the Main Page has completed. Finally, if you know of an interesting fact from another recently created article, then please feel free to suggest it on the Did you know talk page.
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The heck? It appears I have somehow become rather famous enough to have a random vandal copy my user page. You can also see that they've tried to copy MaterialScientist's user page [1] before settling on mine, probably because MaterialScientist's list of works was too obvious. Also, they are not identical; I've made numerous edits to my user page since March. Aaron Liu (talk) 17:26, 17 August 2023 (UTC)
Also note that most sockpuppets are not dumb enough to copy their sockpuppeteer's user page; that would be way too much of a giveaway. Aaron Liu (talk) 17:29, 17 August 2023 (UTC)
Thanks, Aaron. That makes sense, but a sockpuppeteer might use someone else's user page to conceal their sock's identity. I should have phrased this clearly enough. TheLonelyPather (talk) 19:38, 17 August 2023 (UTC)
Thanks. I've already blanked their user page Also, I've noticed you tag a lot of your edits as minor edits. This is kinda confusing but according to Help:Minor edit only edits that could never be disputed such as typo corrections, corrections to style according to MOS and expanding a citation (filling out the various fields within it). Aaron Liu (talk) 20:02, 17 August 2023 (UTC)
Hi TheLonelyPather, I'm hoping this will be a straightforward c/e without delving deeply into particle physics, of which I am blissfully ignorant. Please feel free to correct or revert me (and explain) if I manage to break any maths code or alter meanings of text. It may break my brain at some stage! :)Cheers, Baffle☿gab02:39, 9 September 2023 (UTC)
No problem, it was less difficult that I thought, though feel free to correct anything daft! Good luck with your planned FA nom and cheers, Baffle☿gab23:03, 10 September 2023 (UTC)
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Thanks for the message. I am a reviewer quite new to the scene. I reviewed Buheeerdun (and Habila Awusayiman, just a minute ago) because I am versatile in reading Mandarin and confirming Mandarin sources. I don't think I have time or priority for the two articles you bring up in the upcoming 20 days, and I apologize for not being able to help you further. Cheers, -- TheLonelyPather (talk) 17:33, 20 September 2023 (UTC)
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Suppose I found that the activities of a new user is not contributive to Wikipedia. For example, they move articles without consensus, and that they create articles that looks LLM-ish and has no citations. What's the best course of action here? Should I report them to AN/I? That might be too harsh on a new user. Should I ask an admin to send them a welcome message and direct them to the teahouse? Please enlighten me. Cheers, -- TheLonelyPather (talk) 19:38, 28 September 2023 (UTC)
Hi TLP. It's hard to answer without knowing specifics, so please speak up if you think I haven't addressed the real issue or if you have follow-up questions. If the mistakes being made appear to be in good-faith, I'd just approach the user and give them some tips. Editors that stick around are ones that are receptive to feedback (we all make mistakes), so this will be a good test for them. If the issues appear to be motivated by bad faith, or if the new user doesn't correct after some feedback, you may want to seek out more admin action. Firefangledfeathers (talk / contribs) 19:51, 28 September 2023 (UTC)
As it happens, I am teaching classes full of Chinese exchange students - and I have assign them to write (or translate) articles on Wikipedia. I often let them chose their own topics for extra credit as long as they are related to our class topics (social sciences, broadly construed), but a lot of ideas I get from them are modern-day TV shows and like, not particularly... inspiring. Perhaps you know of a list or lists of important historical figures like Xiaocui or such I could direct them too? See User:Piotrus/Ideas_for_students and User:Piotrus/Educational project results for more info on what I am doing (or stop by my talk page and see messages from my current students if you are curious). Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here13:45, 22 October 2023 (UTC)
Thank you for reaching out (and WOW! It's exciting to have your name show up on my talk page). What you have brought up is a very fine topic and requires one to walk a very thin line. Before I bring you any suggestions, I want to make it clear that I do not encourage you to directly ask Chinese exchange students to write about topics that could be politically sensitive.
This is because, to put it frankly:
Students from China may get into trouble back home if they write about sensitive topics online, especially when they are editing with a registered account;
Because of complex factors, students from China may subscribe to certain political beliefs that are different from mainstream Western political beliefs.
I think the safest options for them are indeed, to quote from you, modern-day TV shows and like, not particularly... inspiring. It takes guts to write about Abortion in China, or COVID-19 misinformation by China, both of which I see on your list of "To translate or expand in Korean or Chinese wikis".
When it comes to this matter, I can only stress the importance of prudence so far.
Now that I have given you a proper warning, I am more than happy to give you some lists.
I first found Chen Xiaocui from this list, and I plan to write about several other women figures from this list. I think WiR is a great motivation, as I also saw that you encourage your students to choose subjects from WiR.
Another good exercise would be to translate GAs and FAs from Chinese Wikipedia into en-wiki. I see that you have asked your students to translate from en-wiki to zh-wiki and ko-wiki, but what about the reverse? The only caveat here is that a lot of zh-wiki articles are politically sensitive, because zh-wiki exists outside of the Great Firewall and therefore undergoes no censorship.
You're a sociologist by training, so it would nice to see if your students would like to learn more about the history of sociology in China, by translating and expanding articles from this category.
I think you can bring these lists to them and let them pick-and-choose. I'll add lists when I can think of any. Again, do guide them, but do be prudent--as you are a professor, you know how to teach better than I do.
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Hope you like cookies. I mean thank you for creating John Lei Jiapei, nice to see his real face on sacrilege being exposed. Also for your good faith edit of Cathedral of the Angels, Xichang. But according to Faith Weekly, "公" was taken as a homophone of "宮", I guess it's in the sense of "temple" as in the Taoist tradition. It is, therefore, literally "Yong'an Temple", which may in turn lead to the translation of "Yong'an Catholic Church", since it's a Catholic church by its very nature. Besides, you can see "永安公" on the right of this old photo. If "公" denotes "公教", it doesn't make sense that they left out one of the characters which form the word.
@Uriel1022 Thank you and thank you–and thanks for providing more context for the 永安公 situation. A Catholic church named in the Taoist tradition? China does contains myriads of mystery... I concede my edits and hope it doesn't take much for you to revert them.
Anthony Zhang Gangyi looks a great read, but its zh-wiki article lacks references. Will see what I can do, but that comes after the Cross Temple. I wrote about Lei Jiapei because it could be written in an hour's work.
Speaking of Yuyencia (which I must deem not an RS), you might as well consider writing the English article of Liu Zhongjing [zh] on en-wiki. I'm not a political person and have no motivation to write about it... Cheers, --The Lonely Pather (talk) 08:58, 20 November 2023 (UTC)
No, it's certainly not an RS. It's merely a sharing of information and different opinions, mostly because it's Christian-related. Liu Zhongjing is out of the question, even Yuyencia Catholic sounds much more reliable than him. Happy editing. Uriel1022 (talk) 09:51, 20 November 2023 (UTC)
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@Piotrus: I am happy to look into them when I have time. Just a few thoughts on the few articles and drafts you brought up:
"Drug policy in China" is surely a wonderful start for an article. Kudos to the student.
The "Economic inequality in China" draft relies mainly on Chinese sources. I think the student can publish the article as a start, but future en-wiki Wikipedians would need to gradually add English sources.
Personally speaking, I think the draft of "Anit-Taiwan independence sentiment" is biased, as it only cites Chinese governmental / government-related sources. To write a decent article on that topic, one must dive into the available English sources, as Chinese sources are very polarised regarding Taiwan.
I am not sure whether it is necessary to write an article on "U.S. assistance defend Taiwan". It is better to write about the principle of the policy of the U.S. assisting the defense of Taiwan in the article US-Taiwan relations. Regarding the execution of the policy, we already have Sino-American Mutual Defense Treaty.
It is a bit unfortunate that some original Chinese articles are of low quality. For other articles written by your students, I will leave messages on the talk pages of the drafts and ping both the student and you. I can't promise that I will review a lot, but I'm happy to review them, as the topics are, indeed, fascinating. Cheers, --The Lonely Pather (talk) 05:09, 22 December 2023 (UTC)
I fully agree with all you said, except I think the US-Taiwan defense might be a bit broader than the Sino-American... treaty. At least, Chinese Wikipedia has a separate article there. As I am now in the middle of the final grading etc. here's another "fun" topic that I don't know if it will be finished: User:Hkiho/sandbox. Qilu culture and Culture of Shenzhen were published although I wouldn't call them our best work. I am making a wikified list of articles my students worked on at User:Piotrus/Educational_project_results#Fall_2023 (hopefully I'll be done with main pass by Sunday). And of you want to see what they did over the last decade or so, the list is mostly complete (note it used to be mostly Koreans, but now demographics of my classes are are seeing a major shift...). Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here08:40, 22 December 2023 (UTC)
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