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Can you create an article for this strike with latest death toll of at least 12 people. Al Jazeera source:https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2024/8/20/israel-strikes-market-and-school-in-gaza-killing-at-least-20-palestinians. Other sources can be found using a simple Google Search. So I think that this strike passes WP:GNG. Please create an article about it if you think that it is notable. Thank you in advance. Pachu Kannan (talk) 08:31, 22 August 2024 (UTC)

@Pachu Kannan I'm so sorry I forgot to respond to this. Do we still need an article for this event?VR _{(Please ping on reply)} 12:05, 18 September 2024 (UTC)

Thank you for your response. I am now thinking that this event is not notable for an article because death toll is only 12. It is already mentioned in Israel-Hamas War and its timeline. These types of airstrikes are happening almost everyday with IDF claiming that it is attacking Hamas operatives. Pachu Kannan (talk) 13:02, 18 September 2024 (UTC)

@Pachu Kannan notability is not determined by death toll, but by coverage, both short-term and long-term. Short-term coverage is easy to determine. Long-term coverage is a bit harder to determine, but have there been any in-depth analyses of the attack? This includes in-depth analyses in Arabic media too. Have any notable organizations hinted they might do a war crime investigation on it? That should help us with enduring notability.VR _{(Please ping on reply)} 13:19, 18 September 2024 (UTC)

Thank you for your clarification. I was only able to find short-term coverage. Pachu Kannan (talk) 13:27, 18 September 2024 (UTC)

I would like to let you know that RS has changed wordings in its articles sourced in 2023 Qatar espionage case for keeping names and ranks of individuals, and I have added comment in talk page pointing out BLP policy [1]. I am writing this to have your opinions on the issue. Also I have posted it on WP:BLPN [2] to invite editors to examine BLP issue with article. `~ᴀɴᴋʀᴀᴊ ɢɪʀɪ🎇✨( C • Talk ) 17:43, 18 September 2024 (UTC)

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—Kusma (talk) 00:03, 22 September 2024 (UTC)

Hello Vice regent. Are you able to remove the IP and non-EC users from your thread? They should not be able to leave comments that are not straight forward edit-requests. I would also encourage you to emphasize NPOV rather than opening up forum-like discussion with a counterargument. It's pretty clear that "unprovoked" is POV, need not go further than that. Bitspectator ⛩️ 19:10, 24 September 2024 (UTC)

@Bitspectator done.VR _{(Please ping on reply)} 19:43, 24 September 2024 (UTC)

Hello - I'm a reporter getting in touch about some edits -- could you please find me on Twitter on @margimurphy? Margimurphy (talk) 20:12, 27 September 2024 (UTC)

I don't have twitter. You can message me here, I'll try to respond asap. You may also email me. But please read WP:CANVASSING before emailing me.VR _{(Please ping on reply)} 20:48, 27 September 2024 (UTC)

Move War Topic, You forgot to sign your warning in line with policy. WP:UW

PS: The Beirut attack on the Hezbollah headquarters article/stub has come together so quickly and well, it's really impressive.

RCSCott91 (talk) 12:25, 28 September 2024 (UTC)

@RCSCott91 I don't understand. I do see a signature in my edit.VR _{(Please ping on reply)} 12:31, 28 September 2024 (UTC)

My bad, I missed it. Edit: I realize now, the view on my phone wraps the text just perfectly to kitty corner your signature on my mobile screen.

RCSCott91 (talk) 12:55, 28 September 2024 (UTC)

Hey VR. First of all I would like to say a big thank you, for your careful editing and clarifications to the 2024 Lebanon pager explosions. Just thanks!

Because the discussions page is "protected" I point out here that the sentence in the article: "The New York Times reported that the Israeli intelligence operated BAC Consulting and had created two other unnamed shell corporations to hide their involvement.[29] The pagers produced for Hezbollah had batteries that integrated 3 grams (0.11 ounces) of the explosive PETN in such a way that it would have been extremely difficult to detect.[67]"

That's probably misleading. Note a battery or even a rechargeable battery (primary and secondary batteries) are constantly being replaced ;-) And note this is from Ronen Bergman (who is known to work closely with Israel's intelligence community) "How Israel Built a Modern-Day Trojan Horse: Exploding Pagers, The New York Times, 18 September 2024". → Downright gleeing about terrorism by associating terrorism with the classical “Tales” of Odysseus and the elite heroes of the Hellenes.

A report in The Guardian quotes a Lebanese security source as saying "Mossad injected a board inside of the device that has explosive material." This contradicts the claim that the explosive was in the battery. → "Hezbollah device blasts: how did pagers and walkie-talkies explode and what do we know about the attacks?, The Guardian, 19 September 2024". The pagers were impregnated with explosives, the pagers were the explosives. Having the explosive on or integrated into the circuit board would make it easier not to be to detected and would make detonation control much simpler.

And then there is one more thing else worth to be mention: Hezbollah moved with it's military wing over completely to Fiber-optic communications. The military wing doesn't use pager and doesn't use walkie-talkies. Who were using pagers/walkie-talkies were the local policemen, firefighters, medical personal — what can be called the Civil Hezbollah. The management of Civil Life, that manages a huge slice of Beirut and the country and it has to provide Law and Order, security, and health care etc.

Times of Israel:

• Lebanon’s private medical facilities, which house 85% of all hospital beds in the country, are at full capacity following last week’s attacks on communication devices held by Hezbollah members, Sleiman Haroun, president of Lebanon’s Syndicate of Private Hospitals, has said.(here)

2008 there was a big huge brouhaha in Lebanon where pro-american and pro-israel officials were gunning for H.'s private fiber optic network, a communication network that H. had set up nationwide throughout Lebanon by itself for itself as defense against Israeli electronic warfare.

The anti-Hezbollah news outlet “This is Beirut”:

• Hezbollah’s telecommunications network is highly sophisticated, characterized by a distributed fiber optic architecture. It supports Voice over Internet Protocol (VoIP), enabling high-speed internet calls rather than relying on traditional lines. This network interfaces seamlessly with global technologies, facilitating anonymous cyber-attacks and funding through Virtual Private Networks (VPNs). Additionally, it comprises an Autonomous System (AS), Internet Protocol (IP), a range of IP addresses, a satellite, and other installations that will be elaborated upon shortly. (here)

Just as antidote for the orientalism about the outdated-obsolete-antiquated-archaic pager communications in H.'s military wing.

I wish you the all best. Regards, --87.170.202.11 (talk) 15:29, 28 September 2024 (UTC)

Thanks for your comments. The source says "In his view, the procurement of pagers and walkie-talkies was intended to “carry out daily tasks,”" but doesn't explicitly say that pagers were mainly used for civilian tasks. If you have any sources, please link them.

Do you have any specific edit request you'd like to make? You can make that as an edit request at Talk:2024 Lebanon pager explosions.VR _{(Please ping on reply)} 15:35, 28 September 2024 (UTC)

No, I can not. It is "protected". --87.170.202.11 (talk) 15:53, 28 September 2024 (UTC)

I see Daniel Case protected it. Per WP:ARBECR, you are allowed to make a specific edit request in the "Talk:" namespace. I suppose you can write your edit request here. Daniel, if they make a specific edit request here, am I allowed to then (assuming it's not disruptive) move it to Talk:2024 Lebanon pager explosions? VR _{(Please ping on reply)} 16:02, 28 September 2024 (UTC)

No, I am not allowed to make any specific edit request in that talk-page. I simply can not. I am only allowed to view its source ;-)

My request would be: 1. We have to add (per The Guardian) that it was the circuit board of the pagers, that was infected with the explosive PETN, not the battery. 2. We have to add that Hezbollah's military wing used since 2008 for its communications its fiber optic network (will look for an other source). But please, I do not want to be disruptive or bothersome. Regards, -- — Preceding unsigned comment added by 87.170.195.60 (talk) 16:27, 28 September 2024 (UTC)

Alright, moved your request.VR _{(Please ping on reply)} 01:12, 29 September 2024 (UTC)

I would move it to the edit-request section on RFPP. Daniel Case (talk) 00:35, 29 September 2024 (UTC)