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(talk page stalker) Hi Mr White Cat Owner, just a comment. The problem with translating articles from SweWiki to the EngWiki is that they are very porly sourced, if at all, and some of the references are simply ludicrous. (My favorites are from the featured article sv:Drottningholms slott where two refs are: <ref>From a brochure by the National Property Board of Sweden.</ref> and <ref>As stated in a talk with the palace supervisor on 30 september 2011.</ref>.) Being Swedish I write articles about Swedish things on a regular basis (occasionally cooperating with Yakikaki), but the only way to write a decent article is to just draw inspiration from the Swedish article and then start afresh with proper sources and all, not so much translating, only writing. Best, w.carter-Talk12:43, 29 April 2015 (UTC)
Yes, I'm aware of this. The idea is more to highlight missing articles from other wikipedias by comparing categories and when starting the articles to make sure they are reliably sourced. The content doesn't have to be sourced on another wiki, but when translating obviously we need to find sources to support it. If not we can't really use much of it. For instance ransack one of the country/manor houses in xxxx county categories on there. Compare them to English wiki and then try to stub the red linked entries. making sure the categories match. So please join and help list missing Swedish articles!♦ Dr. Blofeld12:51, 29 April 2015 (UTC)
@Krenakarore:Yes, of course I know! (Everyone knows!!!) I have also seen this esteemed editor display a great sense of humor, otherwise I would never have dared to even speak to them. ;) Also, ... did you know ... that this is a more appropriate gender for me? w.carter-Talk13:05, 29 April 2015 (UTC)
Ha ha ha ha... no wonder you and Yakikaki got together like thumb and nail. I'll reveal you something. Due to my weird sense of humor, which is characteristic of us Brazilians, I tend to address people by Mr. to call their attention to their own mistakes. I guess you and Dr. Blofeld can call me Mr. now :) ! KrenakaroreTK13:14, 29 April 2015 (UTC)
Hi Yakikaki, and @W.carter, Krenakarore, and Dr. Blofeld: I, too, prefer creating the article vs. creating the list, but sometimes, I enjoy creating the list to sort things out for myself and/or to store away articles for another day. My talkpage has a large section on Yucatan haciendas (which have es language articles) and a lot of redlinks on the en wikipedia. My sandbox has redlists of feminists with articles on other language Wikipedias. For WikiProject Women writers, we have a Wikidata-generated redlist with a jillion redlinks of articles which have an entry on another lang wikipedia, but not on the en language one; now that's a cool list, and also a very long list. @Dr. Blofeld: I think Wikidata is the best way to generate the lists. But, of course, we wouldn't create an article if we couldn't establish notability and include RS. --Rosiestep (talk) 16:18, 29 April 2015 (UTC)
Hello Rosiestep, I saw the list on your talk page, and I do have my own list of articles to do too. :) All of the articles on that list (even the black ones) have articles on the SweWiki. The ones I've marked red are those that are prioritized, but some day that entire list may be blue. I'm working on it, but sometimes I take a break from it and write about other things or help newbies getting their articles in order. I think we all have our little lists (i.e. the "list song"). :) w.carter-Talk16:42, 29 April 2015 (UTC)
Dear Dr. Blofeld, in Spanish we'd say "Señor", but in Portuguese we say "Seu", which for long has become a treatment pronoun to us, like "Dona" for women. Nonetheless, Krakatoa (different from Krenakarore, which sounds beautiful when we say it right) reminds me of Kakatua, or Cacatua in Portuguese. Brazilian and American scholars alike, from many American universities, have some difficulty placing us in the ethnic-linguistic spectrum. We are not Latin Americans, but South Americans due to the fact that we do speak Portuguese. I guess a better term in English for Mr. would be "Hey dude" ! But I wouldn't mind to be called Mr. Feminist !
Rosie my dearest (Dr. Blofeld too), I am in debt with you ! I would gladly translate anything you want (I can't take part in any review process you know, once those who review what we do tend to mock at us who voluntarily offer our time and effort to make it that better. If Wikipedia were full of women, this would be a wonderful place), but right now I am recording (long distance) and producing a classical pianist in Lviv, Ukraine. If all goes well, Kosenko's unpublished compositions will get out of the Vernadski National Library's Manuscript Department right to my hands, so cross your fingers for me !
Carter, sometime ago I almost left Wikipedia for good (that imposition meant to me "how we make good-faith Wikipedians into thralls". Since then I have not been here much, once for me this is all transitory. I am glad to know that we play on the same side, the good side of Wikipedia. Like this, believe in the force !
Hello everyone! I'm sorry I couldn't reply before, I was on the countryside, without internet and blissfully unaware of the chaos you've created here... just kidding, you are all always very welcome to relax and discuss whatever you want here! :) Nothing makes me happier than to see so many nice people and good editors together in one, i.e. my, place! :) (Very happy especially to see you, Krenakarore, as it was a long time ago!) As for the question itself, I work pretty much like Carter I think, and also am not one for making long lists, at least generally. But I think it's a very noble cause and if it's still on the table, I'll be happy to contribute with a few names, links and ideas. Just point me in the right direction - and don't be alarmed if things take some time as I have a day-time job that is running away with my life. All the best to you all, Yakikaki (talk) 16:30, 3 May 2015 (UTC)
Yakikaki and w carter, I've made the decision to keep the central project focus strictly at 10 articles per topic to allow a broader range of topics and ease the workload, but we can spill the extra articles onto the relative work pages, should editors want to continue on that topic focus. In other months we could be more specific like "Churches of Skåne County". What would be great actually is if you could both draw up a missing directory of Swedish churches organized by municipality/county at Wikipedia:WikiProject Intertranswiki/Swedish/Buildings and work on that long term. I'll always be happy to help! What I also encourage is to create navigation templates organizing the churches by parish/Diocese or Municipality and plenty of red links. To draw up nav templates for each area of Sweden. Sound good?♦ Dr. Blofeld08:11, 6 May 2015 (UTC)
@Dr. Blofeld:To be honest, churches aren't my forte. Yakikaki is the expert. I can translate some articles about them if required, but I'd rather be working on ticking off my list of red linked Gotland related articles and hopping around to other Swedish articles (Wikisloth that I am). Since I assume the project is to translate all red linked articles, whatever their subject, I am working in the project's interest even if I'm not working on the specific articles listed on the project page. Just like Yakikaki, I have a demanding day job that will unfortunately keep me more occupied that usual during the next few weeks, but I will contribute as much as I can. w.carter-Talk08:57, 6 May 2015 (UTC)
@Dr. Blofeld:@W.carter: OK, I understand the need to limit the project. If you want, I can make 10-article lists for at least some of the provinces of Sweden and put at Wikipedia:WikiProject Intertranswiki/Swedish/Buildings, to keep for a rainy day - how does that sound? You see, there are approximately 3,700 churches in Sweden (only counting Church of Sweden churches) and of these more than 3,000 are listed, considered to be of unusual historical value... (even most Swedes do not know that Sweden is the country in the world with the richest medieval ecclesiastical heritage...). I'm struggling myself to add articles on churches on Gotland, in Skåne and in Uppland, and though I hardly do anything else when I'm on Wikipedia, I will probably never be able to finish even those three provinces. Then you have 22 more provinces to go. I say this only to explain why I will perhaps not contribute so much in substance to this project when it comes to churches outside Gotland, Skåne and Uppland (and I have my eyes set on Öland, too). I also will not have the time, given the amount of churches, to make navigation templates per municipality or a similarly detailed level, that would amount to hundreds of templates (but see Template:Churches in Lofoten for a good example from Norway, or Template:Churches on Gotland for an example I made myself, which I'll be happy to expand with redlinks and perhaps make more like the Norwegian one for consistency's sake - what do you think?). But I'll be happy to point out what churches are more unusual, interesting or otherwise with high EV. The list I made so far and is at Wikipedia:WikiProject Intertranswiki/Swedish/Buildings is a bit of a mix from all of Sweden, but several of them could make for interesting DYKs, I think. (I thought I picked up that @Ipigott: might be interested in some of these, as well?) Let me know if you start any of them, I'll happily see what I can do to expand, add sources, proofread or otherwise be of service. But as I mentioned, I have quite little time to start with and that time I try to concentrate on Skåne, Gotland and Uppland churches. Ok, enough rant from my side. Bottom line: let me know if you want a few specific, landscape-wise redlink-lists, and I'll do these. Any other help I'll gladly give when the churches in Skåne, Gotland and Uppland makes my head spin... Best, Yakikaki (talk) 18:03, 6 May 2015 (UTC)
Yeah I understand it's a massive task. Templates like the Churches on Gotland are good. It's up to you, I doubt many others are going to be working on them, myself included. I might do the occasional one but too much around to do.♦ Dr. Blofeld18:34, 6 May 2015 (UTC)
@Dr. Blofeld: Ok, well, quite frankly, I'm not sure what you're asking me to help out with here. First you ask me to add 20 churches to this project list, I do that, then you remove them. Then you say "In other months we could be more specific like "Churches of Skåne County"." Now I offer to do such lists but you reply that it's probably no point? What, exactly, would you like me to contribute with? I've been very clear from the outset that I can't contribute very much in substance apart from what I already do, I'm already doing my best to cover a subject which deserves coverage, has high EV and is quite badly covered. What I can do is possibly to point others in the right direction - I thought that was the point of this project. But let me know what you want me to do, quite concretely, within the limits I've told you. Best, Yakikaki (talk) 18:49, 6 May 2015 (UTC)
Yes, we could do ten churches in a given county as part of the project, but perhaps best to ask you for ten when we get to it if you're not going to be working much in the time being.♦ Dr. Blofeld18:51, 6 May 2015 (UTC)
Thanks for pinging me, Yakikaki. I'm glad you did as I have really enjoyed reading through the entire discussion. Much more revealing than the Intertranswiki talk page - and much funnier! I do however have a suggestion. While I can see the sense of keeping the Intertrans lists to batches of ten, I also think the longer lists you have suggested of notable churches and notable buildings in Sweden would be useful as a basis for future work. If Intertrans is not a good place to keep them, why not add them to your own user page or, for instance, to Wikipedia:WikiProject Sweden/Architecture under a new subsection Missing articles? Then we could go back to them as needed. I know drawing up priority lists takes up a lot of time and effort so we should make sure the lists continue to be accessible. Maybe Elekhh would even agree to creating a "Missing articles" section on WP:Architecture? Sooner or later I (or Ramblersen perhaps) could add priority lists of Danish churches and notable buildings and the other members of the Intertrans project could do the same for their own countries/regions of interest. I must say I am amazed how fast those Intertrans red links are changing colour. Maybe Dr. Blofeld would be interested in extending the project to accommodate something like "Priority topics for future work" where we could develop longer lists with no limitation in length? Anyway, Yakikaki, I'm glad to see you participating with all you expertise on Swedish architectural heritage.--Ipigott (talk) 07:23, 7 May 2015 (UTC)
Thank you for your reply, Ian, and your ideas! I think that for now, I will do as you suggest and put some kind of priority list on my own userpage. In the future it may be an idea to copy it to another place, as well, and it could easily be adapted for the Intertrans project. @Dr. Blofeld: you can then just copy paste from my user-page into the Intertrans project page whenever you want (or tell me and I'll do it). As we've all said, it will perhaps not be too much use disseminating such a list more widely, as those who are already interested in creating these articles will do so irrespectively, and others won't become more interested just because there's a list of red links. But consider it free of use, of course. And do let me know if you make something similar for Danish churches; apart from perhaps being able contribute every now and then a bit, I'm always interested in reading them, which is, when all is said and done, what Wikipedia is actually about... Best, Yakikaki (talk) 15:25, 7 May 2015 (UTC)
@Yakikaki: Thanks - I always enjoy reading yours too. And fortunately for all of us you seem to be stepping up your rate of production. I wouldn't be too pessimistic either about people's readiness to pick up items from your list(s). I'm absolutely amazed how much has been achieved in just a couple of weeks at Intertrans. Many of the new articles are far more than short stubs.--Ipigott (talk) 15:35, 7 May 2015 (UTC)
Hello! I like your new ponderings on your user page. :) I could add to that, that I see the infoboxes as a kind of "sv:löpsedel" for the article. (No idea what the corresponding word in English is, there does not seem to be any specific, at least no article. Odd...) Sometimes they are great, sometimes they spoil the mood of a well written article. I'm still on a bit of a Wikibreak due to things IRL, but I'll be back to normal soon. All the best, w.carter-Talk20:30, 21 May 2015 (UTC)
Hello there! Haha, you'right, it's really like a löpsedel, and I have a similarily ambigious relationship to it - on the one hand very handy, on the other very much in-your-face. ;) As usual, you really nail the question on its head in a funny way! So welcome back from your Wikibreak - and congratulations to the fabulous stats on the Gotland military article (yes, I can talk-page-stalk as well... ;)) Yakikaki (talk) 13:11, 22 May 2015 (UTC)
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Hi Dr. Blofeld and Ipigott, my profound apologies for not answering or following up this article; I disappeared for vacation and stayed off the computer. I should have let you know! I'm happy Ipigott was more reliable than I was in this case, it's a fine article you've made! I'm so used editing on my own here, I completely forgot the whole thing. I think this is also a cue to myself to not try to get engaged in projects, at heart I guess I'm more of a solo-editor who goes where the wind takes me... Best of regards to you both, though, as well as my heartfelt thanks to Ipigott and apologies, again, to the both of you for not being able to rely on my promises. -Yakikaki (talk) 07:00, 18 July 2015 (UTC)
We are all entitled to go on vacation and leave Wikipedia alone for a while. You are certainly not under any obligation to follow up on every request anyway. There are many I receive which I simply do not have time to handle. I found the St Barts article really interesting. It contributed to my knowledge of Scandinavian colonial history. While I am aware of the history of the former Danish Caribbean islands, I had not realized Sweden also had a colonial history out there. It was fun to produce an English version of the detailed Swedish article.--Ipigott (talk) 07:15, 18 July 2015 (UTC)
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Thank you Ipigott for this kind and beautiful thank you-note! I wish I could have had more time, but unfortunately I've had a rather hectic time at work lately. (If you are interested in writing some articles about Swedish women architects yourself, as I saw you did about Anna Branzell, I found a few more names: Karin Kumlien, Brita Ribbing, Ingeborg Hammarskjöld-Reiz, Elisabeth Edstam-Sterner and Ingrid Wallberg. Otherwise I might do it myself later.) Best, Yakikaki (talk) 16:34, 26 October 2015 (UTC)
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Haha, thank you and nice hearing from you! I hope all is well with you :) I'll try at least to do some cosmetic improvements to the Skvader article. I have a friend who is obsessed with this thing :D Yakikaki (talk) 20:22, 1 April 2016 (UTC)
Good to see you round too! :) All is well, very much work outside the WP this autumn and winter, so editing has been a bit sporadic. Hopefully I will have more time this spring. Be well! w.carter-Talk20:27, 1 April 2016 (UTC)
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Nice! I like what you've done with the place. So much easier to come and visit you now. Hope you are having a good and pleasant summer. ;) w.carter-Talk13:40, 22 July 2016 (UTC)
Heeey! Nice to see you here! :) Haha, yes finally my talk page doesn't look like a mess anymore. :) How are you doing? I'm fine, just went on vacation and enjoying the summer! Ciao, Yakikaki (talk) 08:53, 23 July 2016 (UTC)
Same here, on vacation for a few days. Very warm and nice finally so I, and everybody else it seems, are taking it slow and eating lots of ice cream. I'll have my longer vacation in August and go travelling a little. Nice to hear you are doing well. See you around! :D w.carter-Talk09:23, 23 July 2016 (UTC)
Precious anniversary
A year ago ...
buildings and nature in Northern Europe
... you were recipient no. 1295 of Precious, a prize of QAI!
Hi Yakikaki: I thought you might be interested in this one. Perhaps you can add some additional material or references. Hope everything is going well with you.--Ipigott (talk) 14:44, 2 September 2016 (UTC)
Hi Ipigott, thanks for the heads up. I looked in my books and hope I can help bring some clarity; I've added my input at the discussion page. Here all is fine, I hope with you as well. All the best, Yakikaki (talk) 06:29, 3 September 2016 (UTC)
Thanks for adding extensive explanations to the deletion discussion. Depending on the outcome, you might like to add something to one or both articles. In any case, if there is a decision to merge, it looks to me as if you might be the best person to take it on.--Ipigott (talk) 08:41, 3 September 2016 (UTC)
I'll be happy to help out as best I can. Most of the coming week I will be travelling in work but then I should have some more time. Yakikaki (talk) 12:01, 3 September 2016 (UTC)
