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I wonder if the English Wikipedia should have a separate article for every Fate supplement and world? They are quite interesting IMHO, but I am not really sure if, let's say, Romance in the Air in encyclopedic enough?
Also, I have been playing around with Polish Wikipedia and created this template to organize all the articles (which do not exist yet). What do you think?
This looks like an independent UK games magazine from the early 1990s that I had not heard of before:[1] Does anyone know if this could be a WP:RS for notability purposes? BOZ (talk) 17:22, 18 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]
I'm responding months later, but nice find - we could always use more sources like these. I will presume it is usable, as a print magazine by a publisher, with a dedicated statff.--AlexandraIDV02:44, 5 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Reviews noticeboard
In my unending quest to find reviews for existing articles on games, I have found quite a few reviews for games that do not currently have articles (either never started as far as I can tell, or deleted or redirected at some point). Rather than simply let those pass away into nothingness, I’ve been thinking about starting a reviews noticeboard for this project. In other words, list each game by name with a link to any review that I find. Once multiple reviews are found, someone can start the article and remove it from the noticeboard. Does this sound like a good idea, and do you have any suggestions for that? BOZ (talk) 15:27, 10 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]
I'm really curious who did the rating of that article as 'low importance.' Alder's "Quiet Year" and "Monsterhearts" have risen to such prominence that they've been used in several top actual play podcasts, her work has won multiple Indie RPG Awards, she helped pioneer the entire Powered by the Apocalypse Genre, her influence has been cited by top gaming journalism websites and game designers across the world, she's been asked to write in publications and queerness in TRPGs and also all of this is already in the article. Is she currently top importance? No. But low importance? Absolutely not.Sevey13 (talk) 22:15, 4 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Article I wrote
I wrote a Wikipedia article for the Lancer TTRPG. You can see it here. What are your thoughts? Also, it hasn't been approved yet even though I wrote it months ago. What's up with that. Plazma5000 (talk) 13:38, 14 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]
It reads more like a promotional review than an article, honestly. Also, with just one source it's hard to evaluate if the game has wider significance. There's also what feels to me like some POV language scattered through it. Just one example: "harmful stereotypes" used in relation to Dungeons and Dragons. Harmful according to what source? Changing that to just "stereotypes" or "tropes" would make it more neutral if you can't provide RS for the harmful part. Intothatdarkness15:39, 7 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]
The last maybe 10 years or so (at best) have seen an explosion in WP:RS game websites to provide a wealth of sources to really make tabletop game articles sparkle and shine. I was reminded today that the 10 years or so before that are a much harder time to find sources for; game websites like we have now were still just developing into a thing, and the old reliable sources – games magazines, that is – were dying out. The second version of Pyramid from SJG was published online until 2008 and the third version after that did not review games from other companies; InQuest lasted until 2007; Dragon remained in print form until 2013; German magazine Envoyer ended in 2008; one rare exception is French magazine Casus Belli which (aside from ending in 2006 and starting again in 2010) has continued in production now for over 40 years. I can't speak to how long any of those continued to review games from other companies, but they all did for a substantial portion of their print runs.
I said all that to say that games made in the past 10 years should theoretically be easier to source than those from the early 2000s, in theory. To test my theory, I went to my games deletion list and picked out some more recently deleted game articles and drafts.
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An AfC reviewer should take a look at Draft:Jeeyon_Shim.
Both were published in 1998, by same publisher. These bare-bones articles are lacking substantial content. Wonder if an editor here could help combine?
Handy, but only IF I am editing the article. If I'm simply reading the article, I don't get that notice. Would it be permissible to add that notice in the article following the "Reception" subsection? That way, if I'm reading the article, I'd see the prompt. Guinness323 (talk) 22:54, 4 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]
I would put that in the talk page feedback section I mentioned above so that the admin helping me with this can see it; I don't know how technically feasible that would be, but it's probably no less distracting to readers than templates at the top of an article. BOZ (talk) 23:42, 4 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Hello! :) I would like to make a notice here that as of this week, if an editor clicks "edit" on any article that uses the Refideas template on its talk page, they will see an editnotice above the editing window indicating that there are sources on the talk page that are not currently in use in the article. This would be especially useful for anyone with an active interest in improving that article, and it would also be useful in helping gauge the notability of an article. :) BOZ (talk) 15:25, 17 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]
@JHunterJ who ~15 years ago replied in a way that makes it possible they had/have some access.
If nobody has access, perhaps we could contact the publisher (SJG) and ask for an account for Wikipedia? If that fails, I am thinking of posting a request on social media (reddit) or such to see if someone has access and would be willing to share.
Oh wow, if we were able to get a Wikipedia-member only access to Pyramid, that would be awesome. :) There were hundreds of reviews on the Pyramid website that we now only have snapshots of... BOZ (talk) 17:41, 4 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
There would definitely be more than two of us interested in that. :) But we're not talking a very large number of editors regardless, so you might not be wrong. Still, couldn't hurt to ask - leave your suggestion and I will second it. BOZ (talk) 05:22, 5 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
The problem is that it's inaccessible in general, right. Even if we got some sort of Special Wikipedia Access to their preview-snippet-only articles, we couldn't cite those sources if only we can access them. Same as how I can't cite my grandma's unpublished book, or the post-it note on the side of my monitor. There would need to be some way for readers to access the sources, too.--AlexandraIDV02:38, 5 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
It's not the same at all. It's equivalent to going to a library and checking out a book that is available nowhere on the internet. You can access it, but other readers would not be able to access it unless they also went to the library or found a copy to purchase. We can definitely cite a source like that, just like we can cite a website behind a paywall, even though sadly most readers would not be able to access the source themselves. Sources just need to be able to be accessed by someone, even if every reader would not be able to view it themselves. BOZ (talk) 05:20, 5 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Isn't it the case that the Pyramid articles are not even possible to buy access to, and that the only portion that is available to read at all are the snippets? That's been my understanding, but I'd love to be wrong.--AlexandraIDV05:26, 5 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I've never actually tried to find out. :o If that were the case, then I suppose this entire discussion would be fruitless. It's a format that stopped being published more than 15 years ago, so I'd hope SJG would make it available somehow at some point for historical purposes. BOZ (talk) 05:35, 5 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
You can buy back issues of volume 1 (the ones published in paper) but those are already available for free in their entirety on the site. You can also buy back issues of volume 3 but those contain no reviews that I am aware of. So it's the entirely online volume 2 that we want, and if that is not available in any form to anyone, then that is sad. BOZ (talk) 05:36, 5 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Even if a work cannot be bought or easily found, it is still fine to cite if you can somehow find it (and if it is reliable). For example, in board game reviews one source I cite is Polish magazine Rebel Times, which was never sold and whose official archive is down now and it can only be accessed through Internet Archive if you know the right links. ([16]). The fact that I may be one of the very few people in the entire world who knows this magazine exist(ed) and that it can still be digitally accessed doesn't make it a bad source (discussion at WT:BOARDGAME concluded it is reliable); of course I also link to IA in the footnotes but if, let's say, the digital archive was not there but I was used printed copies from my collection or library, it still would be an acceptable source. Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here03:26, 6 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
@Alexandra IDV I assume they are accessible, just with a lot of effort for those who don't already have them (i.e few dozen or hundreds of subscribers and customers, none of whom seems to be active here...). Some issues may be print and digital, some digital only, maybe some are just print, but I don't think they are gone (lost media). OF course, if they are gone, well, we cannot use them, but if we can get access to them then we can - and the fact that 99.999% of the readers may not be able to access them is unfortunate but does not prevent us from being able to use them.
OK, I will take a look later today. I'm curious to see what exactly you found but don't have the time at the moment to look. BOZ (talk) 12:27, 14 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Magia i Miecz
Hello! :)
I extended the English version of the article about Magia i Miecz on the basic of the Polish one. However, I am not a native English speaker - could somebody look at the aticle and check for grammar or vocab errors? ;-)
EDIT: Also, I need the template for translated articles in Talk section - sadly, I see all the templates for Wikipedia, but not the one I am looking for. Eh :/ --Kaworu1992 (talk) 00:15, 6 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
13th Age full list of books?
Hi .
I am wondering whether we should have a list of all official books for 13th Age, similarly to the list of all V:tM books? I could try do make something, if others wouldn't be willing, but I thought I might ask here beforehand :)
Live action role-playing game has been nominated for a good article reassessment. If you are interested in the discussion, please participate by adding your comments to the reassessment page. If concerns are not addressed during the review period, the good article status may be removed from the article. Z1720 (talk) 17:17, 6 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Cypher System article?
Dear Friends.
I see we have no article about Cypher System. I would like to write one (I have read the corebook + a few supplements), but I kinda do not know where to begin. Any advice, words of wisdom, things I should keep in mind etc? ;-)
Hm, could you look right now? I found one review on RPG.net (I think its a reputable resource?) and two rather more-than-less active "private" weblogs, I am not sure whether it is okay or not? Could you take a look? ;-) - Kaworu1992 (talk) 01:35, 21 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
